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Buzznet reacts to Fall Out Boy, MCR and their underground cred

It's no surprise that an L.A. Times story about the current wave of pop punk influencing the popularity of underground hardcore and punk bands would send our community into a tizzy. Where do you stand? Do you agree with our members who say that name-dropping contributes to popularity? Or do you feel that fans are actually tiring of mainstream music?

The issue surely isn't a simple one and the string of comments I received yesterday is a good indication of that.

Right off the bat, missXrachita reasons that the current surge of underground bands is due to a shifting focus:
  • The name-dropping is, to a small extent, introducing kids to lesser-known, more underground bands. But in history, haven't there always been underground music movements? Teenagers and 20-somethings who get fed up with whatever happens to be popular and decide to look for bands and music "purposely outside the radar of popular music?" History tends to repeat itself, and elitists, or just kids that thrive on being different, always pop up, no matter what generation or time period.
Kitten76 agrees, but adds that perhaps we can't discount MCR and FOB so easily:
  • Yeah, they can't take all the credit, but I think for kids who had never heard of punk or hardcore bands, hearing someone in a band recommend something might get them to look into it. Another reason is that with downloading it's a lot easier to hear bands that aren't normally played on the radio or on MTV. If you are so inclined, that is...
    I know my 16 year old cousin is listening to interesting bands, and it's DEFINITELY not because of her local radio station. Two years ago, I watched MCR's "Life on the Murder Scene" with her and she didn't know who the Smiths, Black Flag or the Misfits were, but she does now!
Shiona disagrees with both of them: The actions of larger, mainstream bands is actually detrimental to underground music.
  • while I think more 'mainstream' pop-punk bands bring attention to more 'underground' 'oldskool' punk etc; I don't think it actually helps the scene. I find it to be completely detrimental to the way these bands have maintained their smaller-scale music community; the way their used to playing their shows; interacting with their fan-base etc. I'm gonna presume most of them don't WANT to be mainstream. being endorsed by the likes of Peet Wence, only makes thirteen year old girls line up around to block to coo over a band they don't know the songs of, but want to just play 'copy-cat' to loving everything their 'idols' do. from what I can see it tends to only push the older more dedicated fans out as bands cry out to adapt to mainstream change in the hopes of success - that typically only damages the brilliance of them as 'credible' artists.
Xris makes a good point about the absurdity of the question itself:
  • thats like saying that jeffree star is responsible for the pink hues on a Monet
Touche.

As a fan of a good deal of the music mentioned in the original posting on L.A. Times Web site, I personally don't listen these bands because any of these newer bands listen to them too. I've certainly checked out new bands because a band I enjoy has taken them out on tour or recommended them. But the bands that the article refers to are longtime staples in the hardcore and punk scene: Bad Religion, Hot Water Music, The Dillinger Escape Plan, etc. It's far more logical to assert that these bands are becoming popular again simply because they've spent more than 10 years working hard, touring, and writing spectacular music.

Who do you agree with? Or have we all missed the point?



Posted on 03/26/2008 12:15 PM Visits: 346
amymarissa: 03/26/2008 1:56 PM
though i get tired of the mainstream after a while, it's good to have bands who are big and who can get small ones' their head start on their music career. people such as pete wentz have discovered many good bands that even though they are talented, may have never gotten as many fans as they do have now if people like him didn't discover and advertise them. and obviously if the bands are agreeing to the name dropping, they want the fame and want to be big.
I R Kitten, HEAR ME rewr: 03/26/2008 2:01 PM
Are you meta-blogging now? XD
tasari: 03/26/2008 2:36 PM
Personally, I've never been a fan of the whole "mainstream automatically equals bad music" thought process. I listen to the music that I like, whether the band has ten hundred or ten thousand fans. Most of my music comes from my best friend, because she has listened to just about every single band on the planet. I have yet to find an even semi-popular band that she hasn't heard of.

No matter which way you look at the issue, though, people always have their music influenced by the bands that they look up to. A perfect example is Panic At The Disco. Those kids shot to fame after Pete Wentz signed them, at a speed they never would have accomplished if they started out independently. So, yeah, I do think that the namedropping affects underground bands.

(PS, Mark: Do you see the irony in namedropping Bad Religion, Hot Water Music and DEP as good punk bands in an article about namedropping from influential people? Lol.)
PanasonicYouth: 03/26/2008 2:50 PM
kitten76 said:
Are you meta-blogging now? XD

It's fun! I like reflecting on the community anyway. This is just an experiment with it.
I R Kitten, HEAR ME rewr: 03/26/2008 2:55 PM

kitten76 said:Are you meta-blogging now? XDIt's fun! I like reflecting on the community anyway. This is just an experiment with it.
I think you should do this every day!
You should do a summary of the day's events on BN! XD
falloutgirl00: 03/26/2008 2:57 PM
though i get tired of the mainstream after a while, it's good to have bands who are big and who can get small ones' their head start on their music career. people such as pete wentz have discovered many good bands that even though they are talented, may have never gotten as many fans as they do have now if people like him didn't discover and advertise them. and obviously if the bands are agreeing to the name dropping, they want the fame and want to be big.
i agree. its good 4 big bands 2 get little new ones out there.
& yea pete did. like panic at the disco, who are really big now.
I think the existence of the Internet plays a far greater role in exposing underground and lesser known punk bands and brings them more popularity/attention than any random name dropping from a mainstream artist.
One Armed Scissor: 03/26/2008 4:56 PM
I think the existence of the Internet plays a far greater role in exposing underground and lesser known punk bands and brings them more popularity/attention than any random name dropping from a mainstream artist.
I agree with you. I started listening to internet radio, and started like a lot of underground bands.
missxrachita: 03/26/2008 11:28 PM
The meta-blogging's cool. Sort of a summary of the discussions that happen in the comments, for people who don't want to read all of them. if it's not time-consuming, it's a good idea for the future.
I think the existence of the Internet plays a far greater role in exposing underground and lesser known punk bands and brings them more popularity/attention than any random name dropping from a mainstream artist.
that's also definitely true. If anyone's listened to the AP Podcast on iTunes, in their interviews with Pete Wentz, Cobra Starship and The Academy Is..., all three have touched on how the internet is making it a lot easier [and harder] for bands to get discovered. That, in turn, makes it a lot easier to find music that appeals to people craving something different.
so yeah, Fall Out Boy and MCR [and even Cobra Starship...] do introduce and promote more underground bands, but, like Shiona said, that's not necessarily a good thing. I mean, one of the worst things you can say about an entity in this particular community and the music that goes along with it is that they're sellouts or have gone mainstream. I mean, a huge majority of us are, in some way, elitists. but that's just my opinion.
amymarissa: 03/27/2008 6:29 AM
the internet has made it easier to get discovered in certain circumstances though. patd got discovered by pete wentz listening to their music on the net and it's the easiest and fastest way to communicate between up and coming bands and people who will listen to them and get them started. right now a friend and i are going to try to start a band and we know it's going to be hard to get discovered and get somewhere, it takes alot of hard work and patience the but the net in my opininon will make it so much easier for us. it has it's pros and cons.
losthorizons: 03/27/2008 9:18 AM
Hmmmmmm....

I really don`t know WHAT to think! :-S

I mean, the internet definitely makes it a whole lot easier for people to learn about bands they never would have had a clue about otherwise...And I have to admit; I probably wouldn`t know half of the bands that I love now, if they hadn`t been mentioned or recommended by someone else.
and we're all too small to talk to god: 03/27/2008 4:37 PM
I don't see what the problem is. Yes, sometimes name-dropping results in teenies, but chances are, any band has teenie fans anyway. I didn't discover Panic at the Disco through Fall Out Boy, (thank god, because FOB sucks) but I did discover the awesomeness of the Dresden Dolls through Panic at the Disco. I think it can help bands who want to be known. Most of this name-dropping happens between bands who already know each other, and if the little fish wanted to stay out of the big bad pond, they probably wouldn't be allowing the big fish to drop their name on all the lilypads, would they? There's no need to worry about who else is listening to your bands; just enjoy them!
carmimix3: 03/28/2008 8:34 AM
I don`t think there`s any problem. I mean as much as i love the underground scene and "keeping" bands from 6th graders who think they`re clique is so cool `cause they`re emo; it`s great most bands are getting recognized, as long as it`s for the right reasons. I have a prejudice against Pete Wentz but i can say he is an amazing musician, i hate his over-ratedness though. He has good taste in music, too. It`s not bad if he gets FOB fans into Sing It Loud, Patent Pending etc. (Not that he ever mentioned them) I`ve grown to love such great bands, thanks to those Myspace blog entries of All Time Low, Mayday Parade and many others stating "CHECK BLAHBLAHBLAH OUT, THEY HAVE A NEW RECORD...." I can trust them for good music because they create songs that people like and want to hear.

No problem with good music, right?
rasoir: 03/28/2008 12:20 PM
pete wentz only like panic at the disco because they are the exact same as fall out boy
both bands suck
carmimix3: 03/28/2008 8:28 PM
rasoir said:
pete wentz only like panic at the disco because they are the exact same as fall out boy
both bands suck
Pete Wentz likes Panic `cause he wants to bang Brendon & Ryan.
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